November 10th, 2008
just to let y'all know, i'm done with the clusterfuck that my previous post became. all comments were unscreened, but the ones i don't wanna respond to, i won't.
here's some songs. they're good for the soul:
PJ Harvey - Man Size
Tracy Chapman - Why?
Manic Street Preachers - Are Mothers Saints? (skip ahead to 2:16 for it)
Consolidated - Unity of Oppression
Immani Coppola - Legend of a Cowgirl
Holly McNarland - Elmo
and here's my interview for the carnival of radical feminists. carnival here.
Gay male sex, egalitarian?! It's the worst of all, I would say.
With a lot of the porn that's out there, and how gay men's sexuality is increasingly shaped by porn, a culture of promiscuity, etc. i wouldn't disagree (i wouldn't necessarily agree either). but when i was 12 and got into it--close to a decade ago--the sexual landscape was quite different. the first sexually explicit gay material i saw/read was Joseph Olshan's Nightswimmer, and that was an amazingly tender novel. I really recommend it, and other books of his. Even the visual material was far less predominated by the pornographic. now, even searching for egalitarian material, one is unundated with porn. it's become more pedophilic, more sadistic, more masculinity-worshipping, etc. it's tragic.
Isn't lesbian material better? Especially in 'those days'?
Actually lesbian--yes and no. Leaving aside the fact that most "girl-girl" stuff is porn made by and for het men, a lot of the "sex radical" lesbian stuff is sadistic, masculinity-worshipping, etc. I think the fact that i had been consuming straight porn, in which "lesbian" sex is very prominent, but me off lesbianism mostly :P--at that time, for about 3 months before that, i id'ed as lesbian. and it was also a commitment to believing men could be different (from the message put forth in straight porn).
But if we're not counting porn (since if we did gay male sex would be terrible), lesbian sex should rank higher than gay male sex. Gay male sex is inegalitarian in its most common forms, and this is a part of gay male culture, but lesbian culture has not been as inegalitarian.
hmmm... are we talking porn as in "porn industry" or "pornographic material" that isn't, strictly speaking, porn?
i would agree that political lesbian sex ranks higher equality-wise than mainstream gay male sex, fer sure. even butch-femme is often less unequal than a lot of the gay male sexuality that's put forth as "transgressive" by queer theory.
the ones i don't wanna respond to, i won't.
That's right, Demonista. You don't have to respond to anything you don't want to...
I guess you don't want to do that anti-porn paper debunking porn myths anymore, or do you still? :?
I read the whole carnival, including your interview. I noticed you became a feminist at a very young age. Quite a luck! All the Carnival interviews were so great... Have you read mine yet, btw? Just wondered...
:) hey maggie.
i do still want to, but you're the only solid yes i've gotten. allecto was interested, but didn't know what TPOP was, and i gave her a link to the film, but don't know if she's on board with us :)
Hey, I watched the documentary. It was brilliant. Thank you for bringing it to my attention.
I had never seen pornography before watching this documentary. It affected me really bad. I couldn't stop thinking about the torture of those women. It is so unbelievably fucked up. I don't know if I could cope with reading the stupid people who are arguing against the documentary and in favour of porn. I can't understand how anyone can't see porn for the woman-hating torture that it is. It makes no sense to me that anyone could argue that it is feminist. If so then the word has lost any kind of meaning or purpose.
It was pretty good. And it is an extreme shock to egalitarian sensibilities :( I should have warned you. Don't worry about not wanting to read them: it's a lot of the typical, fucked up, purposeful rubbish and twisting of our side. if feminism doesn't mean SOMETHING, it means and is nothing. but that's what they want, isn't it?
hahahaha...is embarrassed, here's where i realise i didn't notice your actual last paragraph.
yes, i did become feminist at a tender age :P they were! i did read yours, it was sad and not sad at the same time. i'm sorry you had to go through that with asshole men, eg your dad and boyfriends...that one boy = fucking rapist.
Thanks, Demonista. :(
Please let me know when you want me to help you on this anti-porn paper. And maybe Allecto could help too. I still need to watch the movie though; I will, it's linked to my blog... but I have no doubt that watching the pornographic parts will be hard for me, as it would be triggering...