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@ 2007-09-11 18:42:00
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Entry tags:post-moderninsm, prostitution, radical feminism, university

I'm posting my anti-post-modernism rant anyway...because people want to see it.
This was inspired by a post on post-structuralism by [info]hayleysaurusrex. I think I have a more revised/recent version of this, but couldn't find it.

I recently read a post about decontructionism…and oy-vay. Post-modernism's uber-academic language makes me feel stupid. I need to use a dictionary for words that have no practical usage, eg. poststructuralists, psychodynamic, “the performative nature of the self,” “normalizing regimes deploy power,” “embrace the subversive potential of unorthodox performances and parodic identities.”

“The self is merely an unstable discursive node — a shifting confluence of multiple discursive currents — and sexed/gendered identity is merely a "corporeal style”” “What the fuck?!?” is what I say to that. I recommend reading some rad fem work, such as Dworkin’s 1975 speech “The Root Cause,” in which she explains that while gender is socially constructed to benefit men, keep men superior, and keep men and woman opposite and apart, even in “intimate” relationships, it is real because it has real enforcers giving real consequences to real people. It’s real because we believe it to be true. It’s fictive, but not fictional.

I think that postmodernists/postconstructuralists do it purposely--that they only want to deal with their elite little clubs of those who have 8 or so years of post-secondary education in intellectual abstraction. Although they say everything is socially constructed, they say it’s constructed by these formless, disembodied ideas. There’s no: Who’s coming up with these ideas? Whose interests do they serve? Who is disadvantaged? Why is one group taught this and another taught the opposite? In their work, they rarely use women as sources, except Judith Butler. The rest are male--from Socrates to Marx to Freud to Derrida to Foucault to Hobbes to Thomas More to Rousseau to Jefferson to Locke to Nietzsche to Patrick Califia (because he‘s too manly to be Pat now)…

Practically none deal specifically with women, other then to say, like Nietzsche, that if women are unhappy, popping out babies will solve their problems and that social organization needs to be in the form of master-slave. Or like Freud: women are narcissistic masochists who resolve their penis envy by switching the clitoris for the vagina as their orgasmic organ and replacing their wish for their father’s penis for the maternal need for a penised baby. See, that way they’ll have a dick in them, good and proper, for at least nine months. Or like Califia: if a woman is aroused at sexual abuse, she wanted it all along and a master shaving their slave’s vulva ensures that the woman remains their little girl and property. Or like most of the rest, simply ignore women--don’t even include them in your theories--call for the “brotherhood of man” and say every man has a right to property: land, money, slaves, children, women--a man’s home is his domain, after all--say all men are created equal, then word it such that women and slaves remain chattel. To be fair, Marx did deal, sort of, with women, only to say that their economic class trumped their sex class and that women who raised children, cleaned house, feed, supported, and were accommodating holes for their husbands contributed nothing to the labour force, and therefore, would need to work outside the home, too.

In my philosophy class we dealt with one woman philosopher, Hannah Arendt, and one feminist male, John Stuart Mill. None of the lessons or readings we had on them included feminist philosophy, discussions on women’s legal rights, women’s contribution to knowledge, etc. Needless to say, neither did any of the men we read. Also needless to say, none dared call it sexism.

You’d think that first wave feminism, radical feminism, etc. never existed except as a quaint little tea party for idle idiots or a mob dedicated to torturing men with burning bras and rusty pink razors. Meanwhile, the pomos who feign feminism think that because they’re so advanced and educated and have read Lacan and Foucault they are above the “simple people”, e.g. in their parodying of gender. This simply means they exaggerate, usually, femininity more than the average person such as drag queens, Madonna in the nineties, women wearing corsets, stiletto heels, shaving their pubic/leg/armpit hair, plastic surgery, daddy-daughter/rape/prostitution scenarios, etc. Under post-structuralism all these are fine choices--politically correct, if you will--because feminism is only about consumerism-defined choice and besides…they’ve read Derrida and Freud, dammit, so they can “parody” oppression by imitating it.

So, it could be supposed that if gender can be parodied and become feminist, than so can using virtually all male sources for one’s philosophical theories.

Now, where’s the normalizing regime to deploy power so I can look away from it and write a book about it? Why stop jerking off to porn when I could read Butler and find the parodic performance of what seems to be, to the uneducated, silly, anti-male eye, sexual oppression? To hell with battered women’s shelters and treatment centres for women in prostitution, where’s John Locke’s Second Treatise and Nina Hartley’s Guide to Double Penetration?




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[info]uterinelining
2007-09-12 03:46 am UTC (link)
"Under post-structuralism all these are fine choices--politically correct, if you will--because feminism is only about consumerism-defined choice and besides…they’ve read Derrida and Freud, dammit, so they can “parody” oppression by imitating it."

YES! HAH!

Both Califia and Foucault are on the reading list for a class I started today. The prof conflated imagination with fantasy which brings to mind a certain Dworkin quote, but I digress. At first I didn't understand what she meant. A few days ago I was at a large thrift store and noticed the 'sexy' Halloween costumes...and it just made sense right there for me.

Honestly, all the talk about gender being about 'identity' and performance instead of it being about the male domination of women (okay, really, the whole planet and everything on it) makes my head spin.

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[info]demonista
2007-09-12 05:17 pm UTC (link)
Califia and Foucault?...ewwww ;)

Imagination and fantasy ain't the same thing. Fantasy implies unrealness--deliberate falsehoods. Imagination is the ability to think, reason, come up with alternatives--the ability to confront reality through one's brain. They also imply following a script vs. inventing something new. Ugh.

Re: sexy costumes. Double ugh! And notice how men, especially straight men, wouldn't be caught dead in such ridiculous attire.

Identity and performance are a part of it, but gender is so much more. it's kind of like saying that being an abolitionist vs. being a slave owner is one of "how do you identify yourself?" and performance. It's about material power relations. Imagine if I had the chutzpah to suggest that race or class was all about identity and performance!

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[info]_allecto_
2007-09-12 01:24 pm UTC (link)
Wow. This is just the most awesome analysis and exactly what I needed to read right now. Keep up the great work!!! I'm probably going to write something about my weekend at some point which was good but fucked up at the same time. I don't know whether it is just that small things are pissing me off at the moment or whether the things that other people consider small I consider big. Anyway I'm linking to this in my journal if you don't mind.

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[info]demonista
2007-09-12 05:20 pm UTC (link)
Really? I just wrote it when pissed off. I only spent like a half hour on it. Go ahead in linking it.

I guess I write well when I'm venting and don't carefully consider things (meaning "be a nice girl" about it).

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[info]bleedingcherub
2007-09-18 05:36 am UTC (link)
Meanwhile, the pomos who feign feminism think that because they’re so advanced and educated and have read Lacan and Foucault they are above the “simple people”, e.g. in their parodying of gender. This simply means they exaggerate, usually, femininity more than the average person such as drag queens, Madonna in the nineties, women wearing corsets, stiletto heels, shaving their pubic/leg/armpit hair, plastic surgery, daddy-daughter/rape/prostitution scenarios, etc. Under post-structuralism all these are fine choices--politically correct, if you will--because feminism is only about consumerism-defined choice and besides…they’ve read Derrida and Freud, dammit, so they can “parody” oppression by imitating it.

This has a strong anti-intellectualist bent-- why? Are you suggesting that somebody like Derrida isn't making real contributions or just that they aren't relevant more to feminism than to everything else? I agree that it can be a scene, but a lot of these people are genuinely radical. That doesn't mean that they aren't serious feminists.

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[info]demonista
2007-09-18 06:01 am UTC (link)
I think theory should be grounded in reality and possibilities for improving our lives in seeable ways.

I'm not against intelligence, but intellectual snobbery, e.g. it's like some academicians are in a contest to see who can use words with the most syllables and obscure meanings.

And also, I'm not a philosophy buff, so I don't like endless questioning (e.g. what is a chair? my answer: we've got more pressing issues here.)

So I do admit a bias against "itellectualizing" everything.

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[info]metahara
2007-09-18 07:04 am UTC (link)
that was a really good rant with some excellent points made throughout.

on another note-
have you read bell hooks yet?

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[info]demonista
2007-09-18 07:10 am UTC (link)
Yes, I have, but not a lot. Read a couple of her essays in anthologies, and I've read The Will to Change.

I need to read her more, eh?

Oh, and I saw her on a documentary about feminism! They interviewed her, along with Gloria Steinem and such.

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[info]metahara
2007-09-18 03:25 pm UTC (link)
Well, right now, you're immersed in what you are immersed for -for a reason- your going all the way with it and that is great, just know there are branches and paths continue and change...

I think you'll appreciate Bell more if you choose to dive intuit.
some Angela Davis (essays and speeches)would be a good addition, if you haven't read her yet as well.
and
fiction writer, Toni Cade Bambara, "The Sea Birds Are Still Alive "
and about her: Butler-Evans, Elliott. Race, Gender, and Desire: Narrative Strategies in the Fiction of Toni Cade Bambara, Toni Morrison, and Alice Walker.
"Deep sightings and rescue missions" Bambara

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[info]demonista
2007-09-18 07:36 pm UTC (link)
I know. I've identified as a radfem since i was 14, and my politics have changed a lot since then, although i am still a radfem, obviously. And don't even get me started on how I was pro-porn until I was 12 (used to consume it, fantasize a la porn, etc)--that was when I read Kate Millett's Sexual Politics and Joan Smith's Misogynies--the world spilt open.

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[info]metahara
2007-09-18 07:45 pm UTC (link)
whaow
exposure to porn at age 12??? I would say that was a form of molestation of some sort...regardless of how you were exposed, it's inappropriate and certainly wasn't created for that age group.
there is some written word out there about responses to porn that surprise many a feminist...being turned on by something one is against is bound to cause some issues worthy of reflection. I am hoping the rad fem aspect of the movement doesn't also involve a form of self punishment for having fantasies...does that make sense?

I'm not a fan of Porn, but, I'm not against all of it anymore either.

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[info]demonista
2007-09-18 07:55 pm UTC (link)
i first saw it at 9, and i sought it out. it was hidden away and friend's of my dad, and i sought it out. one of my dad's friends had child pornography.

i'll continue this later, but i have class in five min!

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[info]metahara
2007-09-18 08:36 pm UTC (link)
ugh- gads, I'm so sorry you were exposed/ not protected from that.
Rad fem sounds like a healing process.
not that it has to be healing to be legit, but, in this case...sounds like the perfect prescription.

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[info]demonista
2007-09-19 02:10 am UTC (link)
At the time, I didn't see it as negative--it was a very immature rebellion against society, ie "what would my parents think of me now" while also not wanting them to find out.

(i`ve posted about this before. like: http://demonista.livejournal.com/3503.html - she (the woman defending BDSM) changed her tune since then, but i don`t want to give away her identity (she goes by diff names))

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[info]metahara
2007-09-18 03:31 pm UTC (link)
something to remember:

Many Women of Color tend to be turned off and away from the movement when white woman try to tell them how they feel, how they ought to feel or what they are missing about their experience.
"When will white women shut up and let others speak...maybe ask question when they open their mouths instead of following their patriarchs style and imposing their views on others?" too many have said that to give a quote shout out to just one.
White women generally do not have the cultural background to fathom what it feels like in a black community, how to respond to and identify the various call outs, etc.

that stripper story sounded made up to a lot of strippers who lived a different story or perhaps worked in better conditions.

be ware of how your perception is shaped and what you are looking for.
It isn't easy to be fair when attempting to use research gathered from outside sources to prove what you can say without proof. You don't need to pull up examples outside of yourself.

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[info]demonista
2007-09-18 07:38 pm UTC (link)
I've noticed that pro-sex feminists tend to call anti-porn feminists prudes and/or outright liars. or at best they say "well, that's only true for you." (yeah, just ignore the hundreds of women formery or currently in prostitution who radfems are, are friends with, have interviewed, etc)

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[info]metahara
2007-09-18 07:51 pm UTC (link)
I wouldn't say prude or outright liar, just not written in stone and not the only writers of herstory. the cases sited may be true, but they are not the only truths and rad is not the only perception worthy out there.
there is no last word in a movement that is flux. Gross generalizations lead to prejudice, prejudice leads to ...etc.

the practice of exclusion and deciding to know what is right for everyone seems a trait learned in patriarchy.
We have the opportunity to transcend those habits.

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Friends
[info]metahara
2007-09-18 03:36 pm UTC (link)
I find your essay and rant writing to be superior.
The fact that you are 19 amazes me- your brilliant. I'm not a rad fem and disagree with some of the points made, or just see them in a different light. Still, I'd like your food for thought on my friends page with your permission.

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Re: Friends
[info]demonista
2007-09-18 07:39 pm UTC (link)
thanks. sure, add me. i'll friend you back.

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[info]_allecto_
2007-11-23 12:11 am UTC (link)
heya, this post I'd love to publish on Spinning Spinsters if it's cool with you.

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