demonista: I've lj-friends only'ed several of my re

What you want is in the blood, Senators (

demonista) wrote,
@ 2008-09-25 14:14:00

Current music:

Sarah Slean/Blue October/PJ/etc

I've lj-friends only'ed several of my recent posts on porn, because I've been linked to on pro-porn blogs lately. The will remain such for a while, but probably not permanently. Just waiting for the storm to end. The main reason for this is they are not only focusing on me, but on my friends and other supportive comments. And they are saying complete anthro poop about us. If you want to read those entries, and aren't on my flist, and you're an awesome feminist, I'll friend ya back. Or I can email it to you.

I'm sure others have things to say about the way our words have been misheard and twisted, so either comment on this open entry, or on the newly friends-only recent entries.

I won't be able to respond to comments, or unscreen future ones until Monday. I'm going to a Journalists for Human Rights Conference in Toronto this weekend, and I need to leave this evening for it. But I'll be getting the 10pm bus from K-Town--the last one of the night--because I've a Medical Ethics night class. So if you're near the Toronto Greyhound station/around Spadina/around U of T/at the conference, maybe I'll see ya around ;)

But, I will be missing tomorrow's Critical Mass in KW, which is gonna be freakin' massive and awesome. I hope to live this one vicariously through videos, photos, and stories about it. This will be the only one I've missed since the first one of this year (in April, I believe). It's always awesome tho, even when for August's one, we only had about thirty people. This one will have over 200, easily. And I heard it'll be pirates vs ninjas! hahaha...come hell or high water, I definitely want to go to the Hallowe'en CM. Shit--it'll be ace.

Oh, also, my essay "I'd slice her: Feminism, Pornography, and Sex" was published at the other university in Waterloo's Women's Centre publication, Voices. Yays! It was slightly edited, revised and shortened before I sent it in.

So for a little bragging to help brighten my day :P, this is what the editor said in response to my submission:

"Wow! That is brilliant. Thank you so much for writing this. I was really hoping that someone would submit something on the ejaculation industry (much better term) and this is perfect. I've only read over it for content. Everything flows really well, the arguments are set up naturally, and it made me very angry/frustrated with the ejaculation industry all over again as I read it. Fantastic.
"No worries about taking your time. It is a very well-written and edited article. I appreciate you taking the time and effort to put this together and doing it with such care.
"Thank you again for this submission. I really do appreciate it."

Here are some more fantastic songs:

Sarah Slean - Sweet Ones
Public Enemy - Fight the Power
PJ Harvey - Sheela Na Gig
Ani DiFranco - Letter to a John
Manic Street Preachers w/Traci Lords - Little Baby Nothing
Blue October - Angel

* I have audio of the Slean and Manics songs, and can make upload them if requested.

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buggle76
2008-09-30 03:12 pm UTC (link)

Yeah, I have to agree with kk0- you can moderate however you see fit. All this censorship crap is just that- CRAP. Your blog, you decide what to post and what to delete. No one has any "right" to be heard on your blog. They can call you names all day long, but that's really all they can do. It's just their pathetic way of trying to make you mad and upset you. Because that's what trolls do. And you CERTAINLY don't need to defend yourself against people who aren't even feminists- like miz-e. Why bother?

Peace :)

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	demonista 2008-09-30 09:14 pm UTC (link)
	Thanks! I try not to, but i want to correct their stupid, and there is SO much of it that it gets to the point where i can't ignore it. (Reply to this) (Parent)(Thread)

	laurelinrain 2008-09-30 10:56 pm UTC (link)
	I can really relate to that! (Reply to this) (Parent)

	miz_evolution 2008-10-01 10:55 am UTC (link)
	Several? I see one you refused to publish, from me anyway. Also, don't you know calling women stupid is degrading? A pornographer calling a woman a stupid whore or you calling a woman who disagrees with you "so stupid" is not all that different. (Reply to this) (Parent)(Thread)

	ginmar 2008-10-05 11:40 pm UTC (link)
	Yeah, except for the whole history of sexual slurs and all. Jeez. Want some nails for that cross? (Reply to this) (Parent)(Thread)

	demonista 2008-10-05 11:57 pm UTC (link)
	I think she does. It would make her feel vindicated. (Reply to this) (Parent)(Thread)

	ginmar 2008-10-06 12:26 am UTC (link)
	She goes for victimization from feminists. She'll never admit it's men who are to blame. Feminists are always the bad guys. Always. She's a special snowflake, all right. (Reply to this) (Parent)(Thread)

	demonista 2008-10-06 12:33 am UTC (link)
	Yes--like that time she said that she'd rather be raped than have feminists lying about her. Sheee--it. (Reply to this) (Parent)(Thread)

ginmar
2008-10-06 12:49 am UTC (link)

Oh, I hadn't heard about that! When was this? Gah, talk about privilege.

She's one of those people who, if you tell the truth about her and quote her actual words, she calls foul about how she's been victimized. I notice that people like her never, on the other hand, actually quote or read the people they hate. They do their own paraphrasing and surprise! it always proves their 'case.'.

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	miz_evolution 2008-10-06 01:11 am UTC (link)
	incorrect, i quote exactly and link for the sake of context. the reverse is not always the case. and yes, I actually said that, speaking for me and me alone. and no, not a snowflake. And why should I blame men for things they haven't done? I blame people, the ones responsible and all, for the things they do, male or female. (Reply to this) (Parent)(Thread)

	demonista 2008-10-06 01:14 am UTC (link)
	you do usually quote, but it's done wildly out of context. and let's not forget that grande misinterpretation of dines and how she supposedly says all women in porn are raped. ha! if you only spent half the time excoriating feminists and used it to go after misogynist men... (Reply to this) (Parent)(Thread)

miz_evolution
2008-10-06 10:43 am UTC (link)

If I've linked to an entire entry or speech by someone, often with the words "For context" plain as day right here, its not wildly out of context. As for my "misinterpretation" of Dines. Her own WORDS were that all women, contracts be damned, were raped their first time on a porn set. YOU might not have taken that as Gail Dines saying all women were raped their first time on a porn set, but that is WHAT she said, and how I took it, nor was I the ONLY one to take it that way, and why yes, it upset me and I said something about it...as have others, including other people who also have done porn and took it that way....and in our previous discussions on that particular matter you were pretty damn dismissive of what anyone who did not agree with Dines had to say on the matter. Was Dines probably going for dramatic effect to make her point? Entirely possible...that does not change the fact she actually said all women are- regardless of their consent or contracts- raped their first time on a porn set. That is what she said, and I linked the ENTIRE SPEECH so people could hear it for themselves. You might not have taken her comment that way, but it is what she said, and that's exactly how I took it...as in the meant and believed in the words she had spoken. I don't have a gun to your head forcing you to take it that way, but I will, because it is what she said.

And I've spent time arguing with and going after misogynistic men, as well as complimenting various feminists on what they've said, written, or done. I mean, my comment about being raped? Well, you dragged that out without it actually being in full context now, didn't you? Yes. And yep, sure enough, I did say it...speaking for me and me alone...once again, no one is under any obligation to agree with my comment or the sentiment behind it....but when I do quote people, I also link them, so others can go, read, hear, listen, whatever, and make up their own minds on the opinion. But no, Dines is not getting a pass from me on what she actually said, in the context she said it, and other things, in, because I found it a strongly objectionable statement. YOU don't have to, I certainly can, as she is not an authority on when other people have or have not been raped. No one is imho, except the person themselves.

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demonista
2008-10-06 10:57 am UTC (link)

this is what dines said:

"i watched a very interesting interview with some women in pornography...they all basically said the same thing. they all said, 'you know, i signed the contract, i'm willing, it's my consent. but, something happened to me that day on the set. that first day, something crossed over in me, and i don't know what it is, but something changed.' now, i think tomorrow we'll talk about that, because it's very complicated what did change. but they experienced rape on that set. and i don't care if you sign a million fucking contracts, that's rape...when your trauma is forever documented, there is no closing the door [on the trauma]."

While I'm at it, have you read Robin Warsaw's I Never Called It Rape? Or Just Sex, by Jodi Gold and Susan Villari? You should.

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	trinityva 2008-10-06 03:02 pm UTC (link)
	"incorrect, i quote exactly and link for the sake of context. the reverse is not always the case. and yes, I actually said that, speaking for me and me alone." Whatever you think of her or don't, she is far more scrupulous about linking context than many other bloggers out there. (Reply to this) (Parent)(Thread)

	demonista 2008-10-08 07:21 pm UTC (link)
	hbahahha! a regular comedian, you are. context is NOT one of her strongpoints. neither is it one of yours, with your mutual snarky posts about me and laurelin. (Reply to this) (Parent)(Thread)

	trinityva 2008-10-08 07:36 pm UTC (link)
	You're free to think what you like, but I've found it far more frequent that people on the radical side of the aisle don't link, or don't allow comments that would clarify context. (You have a more permissive comment policy than most, though.) (Reply to this) (Parent)

miz_evolution
2008-10-08 07:55 pm UTC (link)

How, if I link to the entire post written by the other person, is that lacking in context? If one can go read the entire thing, the context is right there. Disagreement with wording, snark, and tangents do occur, but the original context is right there for the viewing.

You have not linked/ignored context far more often than I have. I mean, that's the great peeve so many people seem to have with me, I name names and I link and encourage people to read everything. I think people should do that, actually, both sides and all. If ones own words are right there, for contexts sake, then...in short...WTF?

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	laurelinrain 2008-10-08 10:22 pm UTC (link)
	'your mutual snarky posts about me and laurelin.' Heheh, I thought I felt my ears burning :P (Reply to this) (Parent)

demonista
2008-10-06 01:20 am UTC (link)

"Frankly, woman to woman, I’d take a rape to this kind of distortion…and I mean that full heartedly. Don’t get how THAT feels? I wouldn’t be surprised."

http://renegadeevolution.blogspot.com/2008/09/can-you-handle-truth-uncensored-uncut.html

and then she plays all hurt that that wasn't published by heart in heart's blog.

she does quote, wildly out of context. and twists it into meaning something it doesn't.

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	ginmar 2008-10-06 01:27 am UTC (link)
	Oh my fucking God. Privilege, anyone? Gah...I just....Gah! That's obscene. That's just....obscene. But then again, isn't that her business? (Reply to this) (Parent)(Thread)

snowdropexplodes.myopenid.com
2008-10-06 12:47 pm UTC (link)

Yeah, it is obscene, but (without wishing to put words into Miz Evolution's mouth) I think that's the point she's trying to make - that your treatment, and Gail Dines' treatment, and a lot of other radical feminists' treatment, of sex-workers, is downright obscene. I speak only from the words by others (i.e. sex-workers) that I have read and listened to and heard, but I suspect that she's not the only one to feel that way, either.

I'm not going to say whether or not I agree with that assessment, but I can certainly see that Miz Evolution feels a strong and visceral disgust over this matter, and has been forthright in saying so. Dismissing her voice, because of her emotional response to a debate strikes me as no different from calling a woman "hysterical" as a reason to keep her from, say, being a member of a government. Which leads us back into just how the use of the term "stupid" might have been perceived as a sexist slur in the first place.

SnowdropExplodes (guaranteed at least 40% male)

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	demonista 2008-10-08 07:22 pm UTC (link)
	plays my violin for the lot of ya beleagured sex-poses (Reply to this) (Parent)

miz_evolution
2008-10-06 11:49 am UTC (link)

Hurt? No. Angry, very much so. Heart was pissed I wrote a post about harm reduction. Okay, cool. She then edited out the words of every sex worker who did not agree with her on the matter...not just me, but others as well, including one who was a victim of rape, forced sexual labor, and forced sexual torture...because that woman has a harm reduction stance? Why yes, that tends to make me angry, and the other women (jill brenneman and hexy) who were involved in the conversation were hardly thrilled with her either. Hell, she brought a new art to out of context with that one.

And I stand by what I said. Woo, horrible me. Guess what? It's true.

And Gin can call me privileged all she wants...hell, according to a lot of the anti porn folk...I've BEEN raped more times than people could count. I say otherwise...but you don't get to have it both ways...either I have (no matter what I say about it) at which point, I am totally in a place to be able to make that call, or I haven't, and my statement is dreadful and shocking (to you). But playing the all sex workers are raped bit only when it suits you? Nope...doesn't work that way.

and psst...it's no more obscene than lying about someone else's bodily injuries to make a point...ahem.

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	(Anonymous) 2008-10-09 04:37 pm UTC (link)
	So, you have never been raped, and you think it is ok for you to say that you would rather be raped (an experience you have never had), then to be bullied or whatever? You stand by that statement and don't apologize for it? Just want to be sure I'm reading this correctly. (Reply to this) (Parent)(Thread)